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[1] Submitted by: Erik Reuter on Saturday October 6th 2001: Wow.... One of the most innovative features to be added to Mozilla - usability got a giant leap forward :)

I've been playing the game Black & White (So have you, hehe) and there you can see the "path" you've been drawing... Could it be possible to add kind of a "trail" do the gesture you're trying to draw? This way you can see how far you are in making the gesture.

Excellent work guys!!!!!!
[2] Submitted by: owen williams on Saturday October 6th 2001: any chance of incorporating non-dragging gestures? for instance, a counter-clockwise circle for "back." I've used software that does that, and I never had any problems with misinterpretted gestures. It was also very very fast. I got good at making small flicks of the wrist and could navigate very quickly.
[3] Submitted by: Mike Schiraldi on Saturday October 6th 2001: Very impressive. And "me too" on the suggestion to actually show the gestures as you make them.

How about a "close window" gesture?
[4] Submitted by: bobzub on Saturday October 6th 2001: Be nice to have user configured gestures that link to certain web pages. Like being able to create a new gesture using the letter "U" shape which takes you to planetunreal.com or something similar.
[5] Submitted by: Soul-Burn on Saturday October 6th 2001: Nice ideas.... But my first wish is that it could at all work.
[6] Submitted by: user on Saturday October 6th 2001: uninstall pliz... maybe it's not your problem but pliz put on the web site how to uninstall it if zou don't like it...
[7] Submitted by: Victor J. Zuylen on Saturday October 6th 2001: I think allowing only the control, alt, shift and middle mouse buttons to be configured as modifier keys for mouse gesturing might be a more elegant solution (short of not using any modifier keys at all, which would require more complex gestures). If left and right mouse buttons are allowed as well, "dragging" motions across the screen will inadvertently result in web page contents being selected or the context menu being displayed, respectively.
[8] Submitted by: NormanRobinson on Sunday October 7th 2001: Interesting project. Now if we can just get Kanji characters to be recognized I'll never have to type again! Thanks for a new toy!
[9] Submitted by: Soul-Burn on Sunday October 7th 2001: Got it to work. That's good. But there are couple of bugs that it doesn't work after restart. Also I wish there would be some indicator to what gesture am I making.

I'd like to know what size should my gesture be and how fast should I do it. Maybe make it a bit like a pie menu that you see the gridboxes around your cursor so I can know what is regarded as a good gesture. This is cuz trying to do an M or S gestures are really hard if I dunno how should I really do it.

I wish I could make my own gestures. Including Maximize and Minimize, links to some sites, STOP, save link, select text and search it in a search engine of my choise.

Anyways, this is a good feature and I hope it'll get to be stable and intuitive.
[10] Submitted by: Dwayne C. Litzenberg on Sunday October 7th 2001: Opera's gestures are still much better. Also, what's with the dialog boxes and crap? This is ugly as hell right now (though I expect it will improve, of course).
[11] Submitted by: Olaf Peters on Monday October 8th 2001: Being used to Opera's gesture, I would like to also see forward/backward gestures of Opera work with Mozilla (Hold LMB, press RMB = Forward, hold RMB press LMB = Back).
[12] Submitted by: Michiel Toneman on Tuesday October 9th 2001: Love the gestures, but all buttons on *NIX are bound.

Left mouse button is impractical (text selection) Middle button tries to open text selection as URL Right button pops up the context menu

I'd like to use the middle button, but if there is a text selection it doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[13] Submitted by: mozilla user on Wednesday October 10th 2001: I suggest gestures for "save image", "save as...", and "save link as...". And/or an ability to map custom gestures for actions.
[14] Submitted by: Roland on Wednesday October 10th 2001: How about specifying more than one mouse (say left and right) button for a gesture ...
[15] Submitted by: Sven Papperitz on Thursday October 11th 2001: Absolutely great work ! The ability to map custom gestures for actions would be fantasitc.
[16] Submitted by: Jeppe on Thursday October 11th 2001: Brilliant stuff! But how about being able to define your own gestures and map it to whatever command you like, or if that gets to complicated to a command in a predefined list? It would be sooo sweet...
[17] Submitted by: Jeppe on Thursday October 11th 2001: Another idea. It would be nice to be able to assign different key-bindings for the same gesture. For example, if right to left is go back, shift + right to left could be something like go back but in a new window or two steps back etc...
[18] Submitted by: Jeppe on Thursday October 11th 2001: Another idea. It would be nice to be able to assign different key-bindings for the same gesture. For example, if right to left is go back, shift + right to left could be something like go back but in a new window or two steps back etc...
[19] Submitted by: Neil on Thursday October 11th 2001: I'd *love* to try this, so please fix the linux install? :)
[20] Submitted by: on Friday October 12th 2001: Rich
[21] Submitted by: on Friday October 12th 2001: make a gesture that could swtich between mozilla tab views.
[22] Submitted by: Graysson on Friday October 12th 2001: nice. since opera introduced gestures i dont want to live without them.

one wish: opera has an alternate close gesture (rmb+down -> right). add it by default would be nice ;)
[23] Submitted by: Marc on Saturday October 13th 2001: I'd like to see the aforementioned Opera's close gesture too... I already try that one in EVERY window (not only Opera's). :)
[24] Submitted by: Scooby on Saturday October 13th 2001: I think it'd be cool if you could 'train' it, so that you can customize your own gestures with it... And a close tab feature.
[25] Submitted by: DB on Monday October 15th 2001: Excellent stuff, keep up the good work!

I think that customisation would be the best way to go, with saveable configs - then you could ship it with getures you think it should have, and anyone who disagrees can make their own.

(An "open link in new tab" would be a good one though :)
[26] Submitted by: Klaus on Monday October 15th 2001: Hi, great job! But, somehow all the "Link Drag Over Functions" don't seem to work for me. Am I doing something wrong? I second the wish for a "Open link in new tab"-gesture! I've used the "Sensiva" software for mouse gestures before. But I never could it make doing a "open into new window" for me, either :-(
[27] Submitted by: Micke on Monday October 15th 2001: If i use the right mouse button for gestures i don't want the menu to pop up. Fix this! ;)
[28] Submitted by: Ben Williams on Monday October 15th 2001: an "open in new tab" gesture would be sensational (across starting on or over link perhaps?)
[29] Submitted by: Birdy on Tuesday October 16th 2001: Great feature,

I just wonder where the "open link in new tab" is?
[30] Submitted by: Joachim Sauer on Wednesday October 17th 2001: Is a UP-Multiple-levels gesture possible? (Like up,left,up,left,up moves up two levels in the url)

I think a way to custmize gestures would solve this as well ;-)

thx for the great feature
[31] Submitted by: Adam Conolly on Thursday October 18th 2001: 2 of them, I'd Really like to see 1. something like Up on link = open link in new tab. and 2. If you could have the bookmarks menu pop up Where the gesture is made.. kinda like the xwindows start menu... except bookmarks... eventually, i want to be able to keep my mouse in a 1cm square environment :)

Btw GREAT program... i want about it to my frineds until they all install it, then rant more until they put me on ignore.
[32] Submitted by: netean on Thursday October 18th 2001: works great for me, does exactly everything I want. I don't personally need any more functionality.

thanks a lot :)
[33] Submitted by: WEBDEV01 on Thursday October 18th 2001: W O N D E R F U L

I've never sees gestures before!!

Only 1 thing, like many others have told before me, please add "open in new tab gestures". Something like a Down and Up drag-over-link gesture.

(Of course configurability of gestures will be the non plus ultra)
[34] Submitted by: Mike on Thursday October 18th 2001: There should be an option to turn off open link on over gestures. On some page with lot of link this gets annoying quickly. Mozilla people just added middle mouse open tab option so I really want open link on over gesture to be disabled :)
[35] Submitted by: Billy on Friday October 19th 2001: Great work! Now I cannot surf net without it. Anyway, is it possible to let users scroll pages too (something like dragging and wait a few seconds to start scrolling -- I use graphic tablet and I don't have mouse wheel :( )
[36] Submitted by: Soul-Burn on Saturday October 20th 2001: Grid size and orientation based on first move:

Some people hold the mouse abit diagonally, maybe the gesture grid for each gesture will be diagonal too according to the first mouse movement (So I won't get RDLR instead of RLR)... Same for grid size. In ver 0.2.4, Metatags was very easy to perform, now it's hard, the grid is too small. Maybe have the grid size also according to the first move?
[37] Submitted by: M�rten W on Saturday October 20th 2001: Being used to Operas guestures it would be great if those gestures could be used.. for things that they have been implemented for.. like forward, backward, close window etc.. thats RMB-DragRight, RMB-DragLeft, RMB-DragDown-DragRight..

this Up-Down crap is really stupid..
[38] Submitted by: M�rten W on Saturday October 20th 2001: Oh... sicne you seem to be wanting switch between tabs... Opera has RMB-MouseScroll it works great.. whomever is doing this should take time and use Operas default choices where they make sense
[39] Submitted by: jeff wilkinson on Monday October 22nd 2001: I'm about to try this out. I've used gestures or 'strokes' in Mentor CAD systems for years. They save a huge amount of time. Two possible suggestions:

1) Mentor CAD software (mentor.org) has one gesture where you draw a question mark "?" and it brings up the list of gestures/strokes that are set up, in case you forget how to do some. Handy.

2) mentor defines them in terms of a 3x3 box grid called the 'stroke recognition grid." It's more easy to show stroke definitions and to understand them via pictures than by "up,down,left,up."

anyway, hope this helps... looking forward to trying your implementation for mozilla... email me if you'd like a screen short from Mentor. (jwilkinson@mail.com)
[40] Submitted by: Ellis Teer on Monday October 22nd 2001: Great feature.

Wishlist includes Assignable/Custom gestures.
[41] Submitted by: Phil M on Monday October 22nd 2001: I'dlike to add a vote for customizability. If it were available, everyone couldset up their gestures to mimic whichever program's gestures they were used to. In addition, it should be possible to selectively export gestures to a file, so that gesture "sets" can be shared among users.
[42] Submitted by: timball on Tuesday October 23rd 2001: I think this feature great but the only thing that I would like is to be able to scroll in pages using an "Up/Down" gesture... then everything would be *perfect*
[43] Submitted by: Sonyc on Thursday October 25th 2001: Why not add a 'check for updates' feature? That way, people would not have to open a new page browser each time they wanna check for an update. Instead, the page would be opened only when there is something new available.
[44] Submitted by: jobe451 on Thursday October 25th 2001: open a site in a new tab (i know that exits), but doesn't focus on the new tab. while reading a list of some topics, with links to detail-content (like newspages: slashdot.org or heise.de) I usualy first open all the topics I'm interested in bevor i start reading with the first topic. Until now I had always to switch back to the original list, after opening a detail-page.
[45] Submitted by: Robert Dowden on Thursday October 25th 2001: I agree with many of the above comments, about needing a close/close tab gesture, etc.

But what I would really like is to be able to go back and forward while a page is still loading. In opera I can open a picture and right click - left click and go back before the page is finished which is nice. And another thing that's not directly related to the gestures... does anyone know how Opera can go back and forth in its cache so quick? I find I miss that speed more than anything when using Mozilla or anything else for that matter...
[46] Submitted by: Rudy Moore on Friday October 26th 2001: Great feature! It's the reason I've started using Mozilla as my browser of choice.

Clarification on the Mentor bit: that application defines a grid that describes any gesture that you can do. I'll give this a shot:

<tt> 7 | 8 | 9 ---+---+--- 4 | 5 | 6 ---+---+--- 1 | 2 | 3 </tt>

Now, to describe the "S" for view Source, the command is 987456321. A Back command is just 98. (Your gesture system determines where the numbers start, but you get the idea.) This other application allows this numerical sequence to be mapped to any command that's available through their normal command processing: menues, command line, etc... If you implemented something like this, then you could allow users to make up anything they want. Put the most popular ones into a default file and you're done.

One modification request: if you start handling a gesture, could you intercept the mouse-event and not allow it to be processed by the normal event handler? Right now, I assign my right button as my gesture button. With this new mechanism, after I perform my gesture, the right mouse button context menu won't appear. But if I just click the right mouse button, since it isn't recognized as a gesture, the context menu would appear.

Thanks! Great work! Rudy (t h e _ o r n @ y a h o o . c o m)
[47] Submitted by: Eli on Saturday October 27th 2001: How about differentiating gestures based on what mouse pointer is currently shown? For instance, if I select text, I don't want to to go forward or backward in my history. This could be worked around by making gestures only "on" when the mouse pointer is an arrow or a link selector, but not a text selector.
[48] Submitted by: sluggie on Sunday October 28th 2001: Well this board is clogged enough, so I won't come into detail how much I like this piece of software. What I would definitely love to see is a R,D,L,U,R. Yes, a shortcut to google ;)

I really miss the the toolbar you could install on MSIE (sorry, I'm not trying to troll people, maybe the google staff should get their ass into gear and code one for moz...)
[49] Submitted by: Nemesis on Sunday October 28th 2001: Would love to see this tool work with multizilla..... Other than that this tool rocks.. B}
[50] Submitted by: Daz on Tuesday October 30th 2001: Thanks for working on this, its great!
[51] Submitted by: Zaq Rizer on Tuesday October 30th 2001: I use this at work on Moz and love it (on win2k). However, it doesn't install on my linux box at home...? It says "install bailed()" even when I am root. Can someone else explain this one?
[52] Submitted by: Dahem0n on Tuesday October 30th 2001: Great proyect, i love it ^^

I use the right button for gestures, it would be great if the app detects a gesture it blocks the pop up.
[53] Submitted by: Masi on Wednesday October 31st 2001: Cool stuff!

How about right, down, left, right, down, left -> squarish B (without vertical bar) as a shortcut for "bookmark this page"?
[54] Submitted by: Greg on Wednesday October 31st 2001: MAIL SUPPORT PLEASE. :-)

Just think about jeastures for 'Replay to all', etc.

--greg.
[55] Submitted by: Jedbro on Saturday November 3rd 2001: Awesome!! Use it all the time. I too agree that mail support would rock... anyhow.

Cheers on the new style/colors for the webpage... looks very nice, (I like the blue).

CHeers --Jedbro
[56] Submitted by: PsychoCS on Monday November 5th 2001: I love this!!

BTW Consider v0.3 tested in Netscape 6.2, which is based on 0.9.4.1 ...it works great! One small thing with Netscape though: It doesn't have Mozilla Mail, ChatZilla (etc.) per se, so there may be some problems when gesture support for non-Navigator features (in N6) when it comes out--unless that support is out already and I don't know about it--the only thing MozGest has checked in Netscape Preferences is Navigator...so if support for other features is already out, they don't work. Okay, I'm done now.
[57] Submitted by: PsychoCS on Monday November 5th 2001: Another few questions: Why is there such a big delay for gestures to kick in (as in if I press back, it's faster than <-)?

And would it be possible for the message box to revert to its previous state (e.g. Document: Done (2.09 secs) after a few seconds, instead of saying "Mouse Gesture Aborted" etc.?

Again, Great Job!
[58] Submitted by: Flynn42 on Tuesday November 6th 2001: This may be something you guys are already planning on doing, or someone else may have already suggested it, but... If you choose the "Right" mouse button for creating gestures the popup menu usually associated with a right mouse click shows up after releasing the mouse button. If possible, it would be nice to suppress the popup menu when you execute a successful gesture. That would be cool! Aside from that.. Kick ass stuff!
[59] Submitted by: Dave on Wednesday November 7th 2001: Unfortunately the contextmenu-thingy on the right button can't be resolved, IMHO this makes this tool almost useless - I don't want to press and extra key! On possible solution that came to my mind: If there was some kind of timeout on the gesture I could use the left button and still mark text, i.e. only execute the gesture if I hold down the key for less than 2 seconds - otherwise just mark the text.
[60] Submitted by: buckminster on Wednesday November 7th 2001: .3 doesn't seem to work with today's nightlies, although .27 did. Hmm... I guess I'll go back to .9.5
[61] Submitted by: snol on Thursday November 8th 2001: hey. I'm a big fan of gestures since Opera got them; haven't been able to go back. The only one I miss from opera is an "open behind" - the one they have is drag down and up starting on a link and it opens on a tab behind the current one. I find it really useful - does mozilla have this capability?
[62] Submitted by: nate on Monday November 12th 2001: I love the gestures. However, as others are pointing out, none of the button/key combinations are convenient. They all seem to have different drawbacks. Although not a solution for everyone, allowing buttons 6 and 7 as choices in addition to the basic three will allow those more button-endowed mouse users a much better experience. This would be the ideal handling for myself, at least.
[63] Submitted by: Robert Dowden on Tuesday November 13th 2001: Well besides multizilla support I would love to have the ability for "hold down right button, then click left button" to be go back and "hold down left button and then click right button" to be the forward action like the alternative back and forward gestures in Opera.

But anyway, wonderful work! You rock my world.. lol
[64] Submitted by: Derek Park on Tuesday November 13th 2001: Allowing other buttons to be used instead of the original three would be great, if you could get it to work. I have a four button logitech mouse (left,right,wheel,thumb), but if I map one of them to "middle button" with the mouse driver, it doesn't work for optimoz.

If it was implemented so that I could use "ctrl" or "shift" instead of a button, that would work great, too.

I'm sure that would benefit quite a few people.
[65] Submitted by: TuringTest on Wednesday November 14th 2001: It seems like you havent used the only-UP command yet...

It would be very nice if you reserve this simple gesture to a very useful and universal command: start a page-draggin' up and down mode. Please do for those of us who haven't a wheelmouse.
[66] Submitted by: rednuht on Thursday November 22nd 2001: need a gestures editor where you can specify what gesture referes to what command then the number of gestures could be unlimited.

P.s. this is damm cool feature !!

rock on
[67] Submitted by: Lora Friedenthal on Thursday November 22nd 2001: The left mouse button is a poor choice, too many things are already done with that. It'd make more sense to hold down the right mouse button and have it not pop up a window if you hold that button down rather than just click. The way it works now, highlighting text also means moving to a new page, and that's not good.
[68] Submitted by: Mondo on Saturday November 24th 2001: Lora: There is "Abort gesture after XXX milisecond without move" setting, with default value of 500 ms. It's there to avoid your problem, just pause in the end of your text selection for more then specified ammount of time and then release your button. Gesture is aborted and you have your text selected. There is no way to avoid context menu when configured with plain RMB, because it's hardwired in Mozilla.
[69] Submitted by: bruno boutteau on Thursday November 29th 2001: I would like to circle a data (ie : a word, a number, a SN, A SKU, A picture,.....) to copy them, after un could paste them in an another TAB, application; or field in the same TAB. The idea is to find ways Mozilla is acting as a portal from from the end user point, via different tab and a side playing the role of a matrix naivation in a professional environment for ebusiness applications. This could be a very easy way to pass data from one application to another. Is-it possible?
[70] Submitted by: bruno boutteau on Thursday November 29th 2001: (Idem after typing corrections) I would like to circle a data (ie : a word, a number, a number, a SKU, a picture,.....) to copy it, and after that I could paste it in an another TAB, application or a field in the same TAB. The idea is to find ways for Mozilla to act as a portal from the end user point, via different tabs and a sidebar, this elements playing the role of a matrix navigation in a professional environment for ebusiness applications. This could be a very easy way to pass data from one application to another. Is-it possible?
[71] Submitted by: Danny on Tuesday December 4th 2001: I just installed the gestures and they are fantastic, looks like a few ideas on here have been implemented already. overall *very* easy to use with just the left mouse button, not worried about selecting text at same time, and can even drag over links if there is enough space around them, but user-configurabe gestures (eg linking to favourite bookmarks) as suggested above is definitely the way to head!!
[72] Submitted by: Danny on Wednesday December 5th 2001: ps how about a gesture to move to the top of a document and one to go to the bottom for us really lazy people
[73] Submitted by: Stefan on Friday December 21st 2001: Hi,

I preferred the previous version where you had a help included in the toolbar with very nice description as image.

I'm missing that...
[74] Submitted by: Aaron on Sunday December 23rd 2001: Opening links in a new tab ignores the tab preference to load in the background.
[75] Submitted by: Rene Horn on Saturday December 29th 2001: Kinda nice. Kinda like Opera, but some of the gestures are more complex than they should be, IMO. Opera's are very simple. What would make this one stand apart is if you could make custom gestures (so, if a person so wished, they could make it behave more like Opera.)

Also, when opening a new window or tab, if the mouse's position started on a link, the new window's/tab's href should be the link.
[76] Submitted by: Rene Horn on Saturday December 29th 2001: Erm, sorry, forget the last paragraph in my last comment.
[77] Submitted by: Santos on Monday January 7th 2002: a minimize action
[78] Submitted by: Karsten on Thursday January 10th 2002: Using Optimoz and fullscreen mode, I miss an address field and bookmark go gesture.
[79] Submitted by: turist on Tuesday January 15th 2002: err...new version...when?! 0.3.1 has been here months.. :(
[80] Submitted by: masa on Thursday January 17th 2002: It would be nice to have some kind of installation instructions on the web page.
[81] Submitted by: Masi on Wednesday January 23rd 2002: How about a question mark (R,D,L,D,R) to pop up page/frame info?

PS: Custom gestures would be very cool. And perhaps a way to disable/reassign the standard ones.
[82] Submitted by: SB on Wednesday January 23rd 2002: An update?

Much time has passed, without any news or signs of progress. I'm happy with the current version, but I wish a new version will come along, with programming options and customizations.
[83] Submitted by: Jeroen Roeterd on Tuesday January 29th 2002: I second the last lister for a new version.

Is it possible to expand this functionality to the mailclient? Something like Down-Up is marking all messages in a newsgroup read and Left-Right is setting the focus on the leftside of the threepane screen.

With other words expands it usefulness. Just an idea.

Greetings, Jeroen Roeterd
[84] Submitted by: Masi on Thursday January 31st 2002: The S gesture (view source) shows the source of the page. Somehow I would find it more intuitive if it would show the source of the _frame_ (when within a frameset).
[85] Submitted by: Daniel Keller on Wednesday February 13th 2002: Under: Edit->Preferences Navigator->Tabbed Browsing There is an Option "Load Links in the Background"

It would be great if Optimoz would consider this option or if in the Geasture-Preferences there would be a similar Option (for moving up over a link)
[86] Submitted by: meinhard on Thursday February 21st 2002: i find it quiet annoying that after a gesture a right click context menu pops up (winxp, moz0.9.8, optimoz 0.3.2). is it a bug or a feature? i didn't find a bug thread regarding that.
[87] Submitted by: Todd on Friday February 22nd 2002: gestures & piemenu are great ideas, why implement them only for browsers. I'm sure everyone else out there does a double take when they accidentally try a gesture out at an explorer window or elsewhere. It's a generally useful utility, make it system wide?
[88] Submitted by: FoGoF on Wednesday March 6th 2002: I got a 3rd mouse button, and used to press the middle button to go "internet back". I would so use that. and think it would be great.
[89] Submitted by: Songoku on Thursday March 7th 2002: Near to Operas good feeling. but the right-mouse-click-context-popup-thing is very badly. And in Opera is the subjective feeling still better.
[90] Submitted by: Liorean on Friday March 22nd 2002: Any chance of this being thrown into the standard builds sometime? I can wait for Mozilla 2.0 if necessary, but I want it in the build!
[91] Submitted by: Jonathan Anderson on Sunday March 24th 2002: Thank you so much! Gestures are an incredible add-on. Thank you for making my Mozilla experience even better.
[92] Submitted by: Eigenray on Thursday March 28th 2002: It would be nice if you could choose which gestures you want enabled. I've accidentally closed my window many times...
[93] Submitted by: TheManiac on Friday April 5th 2002: I'm a user of opera, so I prefer using teh right hand mouse button for gestures. But surely there should be a way of disabling the context menu after a successful gesture? Otherwise you get silly context menus *all* over the place
[94] Submitted by: Rob on Friday April 5th 2002: Scrolling like with intellimouse. Some gesture to enter scrolling mode, then just up/down to scroll.
[95] Submitted by: yotaku on Saturday April 6th 2002: I agree with Olaf

Copied from his comment:

Submitted by: Olaf Peters Monday October 8th 2001 Being used to Opera's gesture, I would like to also see forward/backward gestures of Opera work with Mozilla (Hold LMB, press RMB = Forward, hold RMB press LMB = Back).
[96] Submitted by: yotaku on Saturday April 6th 2002: I agree with Olaf

Copied from his comment:

Submitted by: Olaf Peters Monday October 8th 2001 Being used to Opera's gesture, I would like to also see forward/backward gestures of Opera work with Mozilla (Hold LMB, press RMB = Forward, hold RMB press LMB = Back).
[97] Submitted by: LKisser on Monday April 15th 2002: I downloaded mozgest 0.32 and edited chromemozgestcontentmozgestOverlay.js to enable scrolling like intellimouse. Practical if you don't have mouse wheel (I use stylus) and you make gestures with right mouse button.

Download the zip file at: http://www.geocities.com/lamekisser/mozgest/scroll_0_11.zip backup the original mozgestOverlay.js and replace it with the new file (inside the zip file). Then, restart Mozilla.

To scroll up or down, drag either up or down only, wait until the gesture expires (the default is 1000 msecs, set in preferences) but don't release the mouse yet, then the page will start scrolling! To scroll faster, drag more. To pause scrolling, drag to the left or right (don't release mouse, scrolling will stop), then to continue scrolling again, just drap either up or down again.

The code has been tested in Mozilla 0.99 on WindowsNT4.0. Use the modification at your own risks. Changes to the original file are marked with // *** for scrolling ***

Regards, Billy
[98] Submitted by: Thomas J on Sunday April 21st 2002: Agree very much with Olaf and yotaku on this:

"Being used to Opera's gesture, I would like to also see forward/backward gestures of Opera work with Mozilla (Hold LMB, press RMB = Forward, hold RMB press LMB = Back)."

I always used this in opera, and it's much less strain on the hands than moving the mouse back and forth all the time.
[99] Submitted by: Saloman Gizara on Sunday April 28th 2002: Help,

I just downloaded Netscape 6.2, I have a problem with the Forward/Backward Buttons, they don't seem to work ( at least on my machine) Any idea, please

Thanks
[100] Submitted by: micke on Tuesday April 30th 2002: i installed gestures in my mozilla build from April 28, and i can't find the settings page in mozilla's preferences. therefor i can't change the settings for gestures, and now i accidently close mozilla all the time. how do i uninstall gestures? (i will gladly install it again when it will work with a recent build)
[101] Submitted by: scaryfish on Saturday May 4th 2002: Great!

I'd like to be able to customise the gestures. Like, add a gesture for stop, or to go to a specific URL. And mabey have some visual feedback onscreen to see what you're drawing (like in B&W).

=) <><
[102] Submitted by: DarkHellion on Tuesday May 14th 2002: 1. Visual feedback 2. Customize mouse gestures mapping 3. Open link in new tab and in background (like Opera) 4. Same mouse gestures as Opera 6 and Galeon 1.2 if possible, I don't want to learn three times the same thing

Really great work.
[103] Submitted by: Ellis Teer on Wednesday May 15th 2002: It would be interesting if gestures could be 'length' dependent. For example, you could have a gesture that scrolled down depending on how much you gestured down. Something like 'gesture length down in pixels' * 10 = 'scroll distance in pixels'. Or gesture left <20px you go back one in the history vs. gesture left>20px you go back twice (or something else, like left in the tab order).
[104] Submitted by: artis on Wednesday May 15th 2002: how about making mouse geastures with both mouse buttons, I don't want to use the keyboard but now I have to: LMB only does select text and copy it into the clipboard, MMB olny doas paste text wich results the browser to go to the pasted "url", RMB only pop's up the menu and the geastures aren't working.
[105] Submitted by: David Graser on Saturday May 18th 2002: Any chance of adding an option so we can select which mouse button we want to use for drag and drop?
[106] Submitted by: David Graser on Saturday May 18th 2002: Any chance of adding an option so we can select which mouse button we want to use for drag and drop?
[107] Submitted by: Brian on Monday May 27th 2002: I love this, but what would be helpful would be a sidebar that lists all the commands so I don't have to keep coming back here to look things up.
[108] Submitted by: Gordon on Tuesday May 28th 2002: Please add a gesture to toggle sidebar presence (F9)! Great work everyone.
[109] Submitted by: l0dy on Wednesday June 5th 2002: I really appreciate your work in gestures in stuff. Thanks. Two things are a little bit improvable: 1. If there is only one tab, it's not possible to close it via the "x"-close-button on the upper-right-side. 2. When using the Mousegesture to close the last tab, the whole Mozilla quits. Thanks you for your work!
[110] Submitted by: Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 6th 2002: I really dig the gestures, especially being able to throw them on my mwheel click. One thing I would be interested in seeing would be a bind to a stationary mwheel/middle button click that brings up a list of windows/tabs. Then either mousing over these or using wheel would allow fast switching. (Opera has implemented something like this.) Very clean implementation and integration.
[111] Submitted by: Marc on Thursday June 6th 2002: I second this - browsing through the tabs by rmb+wheel or something similar would rule - only advantage opera still has over mozilla imo ;)

keep up the awesome job!
[112] Submitted by: Birdy on Monday June 10th 2002: PLEASE!

support not only Left,right, or middle mouse button, but also "left+right" at the smae time.

left-mouse gesture interfere with browser handling. middle with tab opening right with context menue with a modifier key gesture don't make sense: If i have one hand at the keyboard I could use hotkeys!

So support pressing two mouse buttons for one guesture. And may be the fourth or fitht mouse button as well.
[113] Submitted by: BlueBird on Wednesday June 12th 2002: The obvious Addition most people seem to want: Right Click + Left Click = Back, Left Click + Right Click = Forward.
[114] Submitted by: AliMente on Wednesday June 12th 2002: Maybe it's just me, but I can't remember drawing the S for show source starting at the top right. Any reason why the same gesture in the opposite order should not be implemented additionally/instead?
[115] Submitted by: Andrej Sribar on Friday June 14th 2002: great work... i'd like to see:

1. ability to change tabs by scrolling the mouse-wheel while holding right button ( opera style :)

2. ability to edit gestures
[116] Submitted by: Lachlan on Monday July 1st 2002: Wonderful!

It'd be really, really, really great if there could be a mouse gesture for stop. It's the only main chrome button there isn't one for, and it's very annoying to still have to go up to the chrome to clikc on stop when everything else can be done with gestures.

Apart from that customability would be good. Note: I'd rather wait longer for customability and have a good API, stuff like values eg draglength, and support for expressions and maybe even a GUI editor for it, than having it sooner. You could have an editor where you gesture the gesture you want, and if it's not taken it displays the trail on screen to confirm it, and then you select what you want that one to do. To choose current gestures to edit them you could have the editor automatically draw what the gestures look like minimised and have them in small buttons (much more intuitive than reading d,r,l).
[117] Submitted by: Lachlan on Monday July 1st 2002: To add to my last coments. If an editor / support for custom gestures would take a while to come out it would be nice to have gestures to focus on the location bar, and to scroll to the end and beginning of a document.
[118] Submitted by: james on Sunday July 7th 2002: Please add a new category of "gestures," even if they aren't: following Opera, please add Right-Click , + Left-Click: Back Left-Click , + Right-Click: Forward I'm pretty sure the above syntax is wrong. For the first, it means "push and hold the right button and then push the left button." I didn't put just a '+' because that implies the order doesn't matter. Anyway... These speed my browsing more than any other feature in any browser. If the ability to detect different mouse buttons is added, a whole new host of gestures will emerge (e.g. Right-click, drag right, left-click) Thank you for the current support. It's working well. -James
[119] Submitted by: james on Sunday July 7th 2002: Please add a new category of "gestures," even if they aren't: following Opera, please add Right-Click , + Left-Click: Back Left-Click , + Right-Click: Forward I'm pretty sure the above syntax is wrong. For the first, it means "push and hold the right button and then push the left button." I didn't put just a '+' because that implies the order doesn't matter. Anyway... These speed my browsing more than any other feature in any browser. If the ability to detect different mouse buttons is added, a whole new host of gestures will emerge (e.g. Right-click, drag right, left-click) Thank you for the current support. It's working well. -James
[120] Submitted by: Ammar on Sunday July 7th 2002: A back and forward gesture that involves holding down left mouse button and clicking the right to move forward in the history and then holding the right mouse button down and clicking the left to move back would be really useful as you don't even have to move the mouse around.

Also, allowing users to customize gestures to suit their own needs would be excellent.
[121] Submitted by: Clow Read on Tuesday July 23rd 2002: This is one great Add on for Mozilla!!!

Here's a suggestion...why not use the right mouse button instead of the left 'coz when users tries to highlight some text...they're activating the gesture feature.
[122] Submitted by: Rob Smiler on Wednesday July 24th 2002: If one comes from M?-Windows world, like myself, (s)he especially is missing support for free configurable additional mouse buttons. This is because of mice like that optical ones from MS that does default to back and forward button of the browser by simply clicking on one of them.

Another very nice thing would be that autoscroll feature when pressing middle button and then just dragging mouse up/down to smothly start scrolling a side.
[123] Submitted by: Jim on Wednesday July 24th 2002: ^^ I *so* agree with that!
[124] Submitted by: Hexren on Sunday July 28th 2002: Well first this is a great addon.

I would only wish for gestures to be posible without pressing a key on the keyboard and i would be most happy if Opera gestures were incoporated meaning RightClick - LeftClick = Back and so on :)

Thanks for your work

Hexren mozilla@hexren.net UIN: 91740180
[125] Submitted by: Wese on Wednesday July 31st 2002: This add-on is so wonderful that I install it everytime I update my mozilla. Is there any way to keep optimoz even if a new build is installed?
[126] Submitted by: in reply to \'Wese\' on Monday August 5th 2002: i posted your remark a week ago as bug in bugzilla, since last week, this is resolved: when you install a new build, gestures stay installed - great, isn't it? (only on win32 systems and when you install the new build where the old one is - do not uninstall the old build first, just install the new on the old)
[127] Submitted by: fm_synth on Monday August 5th 2002: This add-on is so wonderful that I install it everytime I update my mozilla. Is there any way to keep optimoz even if a new build is installed? I haven't found a way to do that. After upgrading Mozilla I always have to reinstall Optimoz. However, once I reinstall Optimoz, all my old settings are still there (since the mozilla/chrome/mozgest directory doesn't get blown away) so that's the important thing. Also, if you have a lot of custom settings, and want to move them between machines, you can just install Optimoz on the new box, and then move the mozilla/chrome/mozgest directory onto the new box as well. Great job on Optimoz guys... it's truly wonderful!!
[128] Submitted by: fm_synth on Monday August 5th 2002: Also, I like how there's 300 posts asking for customizability when it already IS totally customizable.

You can edit chromemozgestcontentgestimp.js and configure any gesture you like. The downside is that there's no GUI and you have to modify some existing yet simple Javascript if you want to remap functions. Also, you can literally create new functions that do ANYTHING, but then you've actually got to *write* some Javascript. :)

It's the old trade-off between ease-of-use and sheer power!
[129] Submitted by: pepperman on Monday August 5th 2002: i would like to customize taskbars as it is in explorer, move adress bar wherever i want to. you know what i'm talking about...
[130] Submitted by: Ghost on Tuesday August 6th 2002: Well, you said optimizations... -It is really annoying when I find a page thatm works only in "Internet Explorer", what about a right click menu item that let the user open the current page in a different browser? -Ohh, and how about a "copy" option in the picture right click menu, I'd rather not have to save an image just to use it in word
[131] Submitted by: Ghost on Tuesday August 6th 2002: One more thing, Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer (In a 2000 or higher install) are able to use 4th and 5th mouse buttons. EX: On the Logitech cordless mice and the Intellimouse Explorer, the buttons are used as "back" and "forward"
[132] Submitted by: BigBob on Sunday August 18th 2002: Is it possible to add a set mode ?

For example : add a button in toolbar for setting a gesture, then define the gesture with the mouse, the a popup say "Pleaze choose the option you want to assign to the gesture now", then i can choose any menu or button and when i click and release on the menu or button i assign the function to the gesture.
[133] Submitted by: fredrikv on Friday August 23rd 2002: The preferences tab needs a link to http://optimoz.mozdev.org/. Otherwise, people like me will forget where to get the new updates...
[134] Submitted by: BonkOif on Friday August 23rd 2002: Great job, guys! I really love having gestures in Mozilla now. I know it may not be practical to allow users to create their own gestures, however it would be really nice to have a gesture to jump to the search engine configured in Mozilla.

For example, my default search engine in Mozilla is Google. It would be nice to have a gesture (perhaps RIGHT-DOWN-LEFT-DOWN, which is a question mark) that would jump to www.google.com in the current tab or window.
[135] Submitted by: Brandon on Friday August 23rd 2002: Great work! I didn't read through all the comments, so someone might have said this already, but...

I don't like the artifacts (little highlighted pieces of text) that gestures leave lying around. Deselecting the text after a gesture is detected would make life much nicer.
[136] Submitted by: Dave on Friday August 23rd 2002: Mozilla really rules thanks to your work. I think the system is quite usable as is, but in the future I think it really would be cool if we had pointer trails whenever we were in the process of making a gesture. Competing browser users would wet themselves with envy!
[137] Submitted by: hute37 on Monday August 26th 2002: text size +/- (ctrl+,ctrl-) and hold&drag page scrolling would be a nice pair of gestures
[138] Submitted by: Jay on Thursday August 29th 2002: How can we make this work with Netscape 7.0?
[139] Submitted by: Mitt on Friday August 30th 2002: On Linux the mouse gestures interfere with the popup menu when my gesture-button is the right mouse button. On Windows it works without problems. Please fix it for Linux :-)
[140] Submitted by: Tom on Wednesday September 4th 2002: Galeon has an option to make the right click context menu appear when the right mouse button is _released_. That solves the problem with gesturing with that button. (Under Linux, and anywhere else too).

Mozilla could easily have the right-click menu work like Galeon, but it might have to be a main codebase change through a bugzila feature request if add-ons like mozgest can't change the default mouse behaviour.
[141] Submitted by: Obvious Ron on Wednesday September 4th 2002: I'd like to see mouse click gestures like in Opera. The main one I like so much in Opera is clicking the right mouse button while holding the left mouse button to go forward in the history and clicking the left mouse button while holding the right mouse button to go backward in the history.
[142] Submitted by: Jubal on Tuesday September 10th 2002: Great stuff! any chance of getting this to work under knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html)?

I get "failed to create directoy.You probably don't have appropriate permissions (write access to mozilla/chrome direcroty).

Error code:-202"

This is despite the fact that I am running mozilla as root and am able to write to /var/lib/mozilla/chrome!
[143] Submitted by: Stefan on Tuesday September 10th 2002: Integration of combined mousebutton/-wheel functionality would be great (e.g. like changing active tab with hold-button-3-turn-wheel in Opera).
[144] Submitted by: Stefan on Tuesday September 10th 2002: Integration of combined mousebutton/-wheel functionality would be great (e.g. like changing active tab with hold-button-3-turn-wheel in Opera).
[145] Submitted by: sil on Wednesday September 11th 2002: After some excellent advice, I got Optimoz running under Linux. the advice can be found at http://www.kryogenix.org/days/000257.cas -- should this be added to the FAQ or the installation notes?
[146] Submitted by: Andr� on Thursday September 12th 2002: Really great!

If only it worked as a simple user not only root 8( Also, it wood be MUCH better if we could define our own gestures/events (aka enter "learn mode" somehow, perform an action or select "undrawable ones" from a set of droplists, then perform the gesture, done 8) Now if that and pie menues could be standard on X the world would be perfect.
[147] Submitted by: Jeroen Roeterd on Thursday September 19th 2002: I started just five minutes ago and like it. One suggestion. Make it optional to replace the second round with icons for u little menu. I can remember what all the first round icons mean but all the second round icons not. Not all because I don't use all very often.

When you replace the second ring icons with a menu than that problem is solved. I am sure i am not the first one complaining about the clearaty of the icons.

Good job
[148] Submitted by: Rob on Sunday September 22nd 2002: A gesture to open and close the sidebar.
[149] Submitted by: leuk_he on Sunday September 22nd 2002: it has been said before: an seperate set of opera gestures. I am used to them.

Since opera gestures are dependand on the mouse button, a seperate action for ech button must be set.

http://www.opera.com/support/windows/help/mouse.htm
[150] Submitted by: chris on Sunday September 22nd 2002: i also want a open/close-sidebar-gesture, thx
[151] Submitted by: g21 on Tuesday September 24th 2002: I'd really like this for Chimera!
[152] Submitted by: p on Thursday September 26th 2002: I've been hacking one thing into gestimp.js for ages now, and wonder if anyone else could use it, or improve it. It's an "open this frame in a new window": function frameNewWindow() { openDialog(getBrowserURL(), "_blank", "chrome,all,dialog=no", globalSrcEvent.target.ownerDocument.location, null, true, getReferrer(document)); }

I map this to a "RLRL" and "LRLR" gesture (kind of "let me out of here"). It works fairly well, but occasionally it doesn't actually show the page, just put the location on the URL bar, so I have to go there and hit enter. But it's still easier since the "this frame" stuff ended up in a sub-context-menu.
[153] Submitted by: kentyman on Friday September 27th 2002: I am putting in another vote for the ability to use Opera's gestures, ESPECIALLY the Back and Forward ones. It's just so easy!
[154] Submitted by: annoyed on Wednesday October 2nd 2002: I gave up. Please fix so it "just works" as non-root. How about installing in .mozilla/$USER/$SALT/chrome since maybe not all users want gestures?
[155] Submitted by: chris on Wednesday October 2nd 2002: there is no keyboard shortcut in mozilla (or any other browser that I know of) to drop down the bookmarks list. I've always wanted that... is there a way to get a gesture that would drop down the list instead of clicking on bookmarks since there is no shortcut for it?
[156] Submitted by: on Wednesday October 2nd 2002: I also like the right-click/left-click back (and forward) operations in opera. It would be nice to be able to disable certain gestures since sometimes having too many can cause inadvertent actions.
[157] Submitted by: on Wednesday October 2nd 2002: while you're at keyboard shortcuts, it really would be nice to have a ctrl-enter feature (like ie) that completes the www. and .com part of it. although you can just type something and moz will add these automatically most of the time, if that item (ie news) is something else on your local server, you always have to type the www. and .com parts to it. that's a pain.
[158] Submitted by: Whyrph on Thursday October 3rd 2002: Home and End keys. I use those constantly. Having click-Up and click-Down be Home and End, respectively, would be a godsend.

Also, I GUI editor for them . .the javascript editing sounds a bit daunting.
[159] Submitted by: Imon Fyre on Thursday October 3rd 2002: as Whyrph said, add in a gui editor for making custom commands, or publish a fairly comprehensive guide for hacking the .js files and adding you own
[160] Submitted by: Seamus on Friday October 4th 2002: Amazing that there are more than 60 releases till 1.0 and it is pretty fine.

It would be nice if there were gesture to bring a menu of the history. Make it something quick and easy not like the history window.
[161] Submitted by: Greg on Sunday October 6th 2002: Thanks for the great work.

I'm using Phoenix 0.3 and Optimoz Gestures 0.3. When I left-click drag Up on a link, the mouse 'carries' the link as if I were going to drop it somewhere. Is this the expected behaviour? I just want to emulate the 'open in new tab' feature from Opera - my most used gesture after 'back'! I see that you can open in a new tab by selecting the text with the link in, this isn't as convenient as click-dragging on the actual link.

Apologies if this is a KDE or Phoenix issue.
[162] Submitted by: buckminster on Monday October 7th 2002: Glad to see the install issue on 0.3.5rc fixed. Now if we could have a new legend for the mail mouse gestures. I had to look at the script file to see what gestures were available.

Also, how about Get Mail, Reply, and Forward gestures for Mail?

Thanks, and great work!
[163] Submitted by: Dan on Tuesday October 8th 2002: "Rocker" function rocks. Thanks for the work.

Is it possible to perform the rock without releasing the first mouse button? (i.e., [right held down] + [left pressed 3 times] = go back 3 pages in history)
[164] Submitted by: fugee on Wednesday October 9th 2002: OPERA MOUSE gestures for back and forth using LMB Right Click etc. And for making a new window. (And a document or a help file that explains what gestures are implemented)
[165] Submitted by: Carlos on Wednesday October 9th 2002: I miss an option to enable/disable given gestures. Franly, I'd like to keep 3 or 4 of them I use, and disable others to avoid action-by-mistake.
[166] Submitted by: Jay on Thursday October 10th 2002: I really wish gestures could be installed by normal users using the clickable xpi link.

Here was my workaround get the necessary permission to install it via the browser (in RedHat v8.0 w/ mozilla 1.0.1):

su chmod o+w /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/chrome chmod o+w /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/chrome/installed-chrome *click the xpi link to install gestures* chmod o-w /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/chrome chmod o-w /usr/lib/mozilla-1.0.1/chrome/installed-chrome
[167] Submitted by: Zanac on Friday October 11th 2002: ok, it work... but i have a mouse with 7 buttons (button 4-5 are the well, but 6-7 are not used). So i want to use button 6 for gesture... how can i do that? p.s. "xev" recognize all 7 buttons.
[168] Submitted by: preston thomas on Friday October 11th 2002: The control, option or shift activation doesn't work on a macintosh. Since I copy a lot of web text, I cannot use this great feature.
[169] Submitted by: Sorin on Saturday October 12th 2002: I wish that all the gestures will be letter like. It is easier to rembered square letters than up-down-left-right-diagonal etc.
[170] Submitted by: Sorin on Saturday October 12th 2002: I wish that all the gestures will be letter like. It is easier to rembered square letters than up-down-left-right-diagonal etc.
[171] Submitted by: thadk on Sunday October 13th 2002: (this was mentioned a few times above as well, but...it's a major wish)
In Opera you can go <Forward> by holding the left mousebutton in and pressing the right and go <backward> by holding the right mousebutton in and pressing the left.
After a bit of examining on the mozGest js code I don't really see how you could do it with events the way they are. Hopefully someone will prove my measly moz js skills wrong and this isn't a design flaw.
[172] Submitted by: buckminster on Wednesday October 16th 2002: thadk,
Are you saying that the mouse "rocker" functionality doesn't work for you in 0.3.5rc? It works fine for me.
[173] Submitted by: Adam on Wednesday October 16th 2002: I would like the see "Back" by Hold RMB, press LMB. That's my favorite in Opera.
[174] Submitted by: Bob Gregg on Thursday October 17th 2002: I downloaded Gestures for use with Phoenix, and find them really useful, though I have the same concerns a lot of others stated (i.e. it interferes with text selection, using the left button is awkward, etc). What I'd like to see is to have a modifier and/or second mouse button be an unambiguous "I'm starting a gesture" marker.
For instance, if I hold down the right button, the menu doesn't pop up until I let it go. If I hold it and then press the left button and start dragging, that should mean "I'm doing a gesture now", unambiguously. That should be sufficient to prevent the menu/text selection/other functions from being invoked. The gesture could end when the left button is released, or alternately when the right button is released, to support multi-segment gestures. Another alternative would be to have a ctrl/alt/shift modifier be the unambiguator, though sitting here practicing I find I like the right mouse button just fine. I also think that there should be a visible trail while the gesture is in progress (like someone else suggested); if there were an unambiguator, such as the right mouse button, to let the app state know exactly when a gesture started and ended, it should be possible to draw the trail and successfully redraw at the end of the gesture...
[175] Submitted by: thadk on Saturday October 19th 2002: Thanks!!
For those unobservant people like me who asked for RMB/LMB forward and back functionality: download the release canidate build from the install page. It is available.
[176] Submitted by: Seamus on Monday October 21st 2002: It would be cool to have a function that would move you up to the parent directory of the current webpage you are on.
[177] Submitted by: Jessica on Tuesday October 22nd 2002: Non-Clicking gestures (as an option) like clockwise/counterclockwise circles for forward and back (there was a tool called PopMouse that did this) would be great. Also would be nice to have the ability to enable/disable gestures individually. Perhaps even choosing a different modifier for each gesture would be useful for some people?
[178] Submitted by: buckminster on Tuesday October 22nd 2002: Seamus,

It's Up, Left, Up to go to the parent directory
[179] Submitted by: MrOizo on Wednesday October 23rd 2002: Are you guys handling the Phoenix version or is that the Phoenix devs themselves? Cause I'd really like to see the Phoenix OptiMoz version updated so that I can use the rocker gestures. That was my fav when I used Opera and its really making me want to go back to Mozilla now. :P
[180] Submitted by: Babadum on Friday October 25th 2002: is it just me or does the scroll up/down gesture does not work in a framed page?
(installed v0.3.4 - though in pref it says v0.3.3 - Netscape 7)

come to think of it a page up/down gesture function would be preferred over the current scroll gesture - a better scroll gesture would be a smooth scrolling one (ie. click-down[hold]) - I have an old program that does this (Scroll++, related to PopMouse - program development discontinued), it works just about everywhere else except in Netscape 7 (WinME)... bugger!

btw Optimoz + N7 Tabs = Yeah Yeah :P
[181] Submitted by: Babadum on Friday October 25th 2002: oh just to add that a smooth scrolling gesture that not only goes up/down, but also left/right

oh yeah
[182] Submitted by: Narcissus on Sunday October 27th 2002: Great work guys: was wondering though if it would be possible to have an option whereby a given gesture (if not alrady assigned) would be assigned to the current page as a sort of "bookmark".

I've worked out how to get it working on my machine, however haven't been able to work out how to write back to the file. Maybe it could be possible to set the plugin up to write back to the gestures file on close, hence saving any "dynamically added" gestures?

Thanks.
[183] Submitted by: John Kane on Tuesday October 29th 2002: As for the issue of the mouse gestures interfering with highlight operations, I would suggest providing a configuration option that allows the mouse gestures to happen if the [Shift], [Ctrl], and/or [Alt] keys are being held down. And allow the option to be reversed so normal mouse operations are gestures unless one of these special keys is being held down.
[184] Submitted by: Praveen on Tuesday October 29th 2002: I dont if it is possible at this stage... but cant the mouse gestures be attached to right click rather than left click... coz we dont have any dragging functions with right click
[185] Submitted by: Dexter on Tuesday October 29th 2002: I am using Phoenix 0.4 I cant see any advanced preferences tab does it mean i have to wait for Phoenix to evolve...
[186] Submitted by: David on Wednesday October 30th 2002: This is a great idea, good product but hard to costimize in Phonix, What do i do?
[187] Submitted by: Dexter on Wednesday October 30th 2002: I'm using Phoenix 0.4 now doesn't the gestures work while the page is loading..... coz i have been using them and i feel like that.....
[188] Submitted by: A frustrated user on Tuesday November 5th 2002: The "rocker gestures" MUST be OFF by default. It's so annoying I uninstalled 0.35 for 0.34...
[189] Submitted by: Neil on Wednesday November 6th 2002: Cool work guys but make sure to add a small disclaimer on your site because MouseGestures are an increasing risk for RSI. You are warned!
[190] Submitted by: Prestige on Thursday November 7th 2002: Pls update the phoenix one.. i like the new tab gestures
[191] Submitted by: Sebastian on Thursday November 7th 2002: Im a opera-user, Mouse-gestures come with right Mouse Button. But it interferes with Context-Menu.
[192] Submitted by: Michel Meyers on Sunday November 10th 2002: I second the wish of Robert Dowden: It would be great to have the 'forward' and 'back' motions by using only the mouse buttons ('hold left, click right' for forward and 'hold right, click left' for back).
[193] Submitted by: hiTCH-HiKER on Sunday November 10th 2002: Again on the correct wishlist:
I have a wish for the implementation of the double mousebutton gesture (hold down right button, then click left button to go back):
Please make it possible to hold the right mouse button down and click multiple times left to go back more than once (just like in Opera).
That would greatly improve surfing fun in Phoenix/Mozilla.
[194] Submitted by: Tim McLaughlin on Tuesday November 12th 2002: Make the Scroll-down and Scroll-up gestures default to the gestures currently assigned to the "New Doc" and "New Tab" since scrolling is done much more frequently than the other two (as to where they go, I dunno :)

Otherwise, very nice!
[195] Submitted by: ThibThib on Wednesday November 13th 2002: I know it has already been asked for, but a simple smooth scrolling would be very great. Just hold down a button and move the mouse (middle button for instance, whatever different combination from mouse gesture). Like in The GIMP, but without displaying the cursor, and without limiting the scrolling by the borders of the window, nor by the borders of the screen (why doing that ?)

Advantages over mouse wheel:
- faster and sharper
- possible left-right scrolling
- possible without mouse wheel !
[196] Submitted by: Djago on Saturday November 16th 2002: Possibility to use: left button, middle button, right button, and combination of right & left, or middle & right, etc.
[197] Submitted by: communist on Friday November 22nd 2002: Workflow increasment 100% - great tool and it works very good imo.
You should add a question whether you really like to close mozilla when gesturing the 'close mozilla gesture'.
[198] Submitted by: Timo Nentwig on Friday November 22nd 2002: New Tab/New Window should automatically activate teh URL locator. So I each time have to manually click on it in order to type the URL...:-(
[199] Submitted by: Brian Duff on Sunday November 24th 2002: OK, this is just quite possibly the coolest thing ever. Bye bye Internet Explorer :D

(only comment is that it would be nice if text selection didn't happen if you're using the left mouse for gestures, but I'm getting used to using my middle button so I can live with it :) )

Thank you for developing this!
[200] Submitted by: Sean Kent on Monday November 25th 2002: I am a huge fan of Optimoz, but also a huge fan of Multizilla. The fans have been asking for you two to play nice for over a year - are plans to do this in the works or should we quit yappin'? ;-)

Seriously, I love using gestures, but I use Multizilla's tabbed-browsing features way too much to go without them. I could die a happy man if I had both!
[201] Submitted by: melty on Wednesday November 27th 2002: "Being used to Opera's gesture, I would like to also see forward/backward gestures of Opera work with Mozilla (Hold LMB, press RMB = Forward, hold RMB press LMB = Back)."

#2
[202] Submitted by: Bradley Johnson on Wednesday November 27th 2002: if it wasn't for this project I probably wouldn't have made the switch from ie, really a great project. My main gripe is that if my mouse is over a link or picture the gesture is aborted or the link followed etc.

I'd love to be able to configure my own gestures or rather assign links or menu commands/macros to selected gestures. I know this sounds silly, but I own a five button mouse and was wondering if it would be feasible to enable support for more buttons. I was thinking about doing this myself as it doesn't seem like it would be too complicated but I have absolutely no experience with xpcom or mozilla programming.
[203] Submitted by: Suki on Saturday November 30th 2002: Love this project! One of the reasons why I'm using Mozilla. My only wish is for gesture custimizability.. let US pick what functions to use and what gestures to activate them =P
[204] Submitted by: p on Monday December 2nd 2002: Is it difficult to get the 3.5rc version to behave correctly for (the soon-to-be-renamed) Phoenix?
I'd be willing to do some grunt work if it doesn't require having a decent c++ developmnt environment (which I don't at the moment).
I use Mozilla and Phoenix nightlies simultaneously, but when some gentures only work in Mozilla, it throws me off.
[205] Submitted by: J on Monday December 2nd 2002: Major suggestion: take a look at MyIE2
( http://www.ruihehang.com/myie2/html_en/home.htm )

One of the great features they have is that you can click on a link and drag it a bit then drop it and it opens the link in a new tab. No need to drag it up to the tabbar or anything like that.

You offer the ability to drag over a link and open it in a new tab, but that is much more difficult to do than just dragging the link itself. I beg you to implement this feature- then I could switch. This feature is too important to me to give it up. Thanks.
[206] Submitted by: Kasper Dziurdz on Thursday December 5th 2002: Thanks for the rocker gestures, that's the feature I have been waiting for! However, I thought it would be also great to navigate between the tab windows with just a click:

middle-click: opens (link in) a new tab window
hold middle mouse button, click the left: previous tab window
hold middle mouse button, click the right: next tab window

Thanks!
[207] Submitted by: Babadum on Sunday December 8th 2002: you can easily customize your own gestures
http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/technotes/
[211] Submitted by: Piw on Thursday December 12th 2002: first of all, I love gestures, but there's little but. In mozilla I have middle buttuon for gestures. What about phoenix? Left button is ok, but its interferes with marking text. And of course customizing gestures.
PS.
I didn't know how surfing can be nice until I met mozilla with "middle button open new tab", "load links in background" and gestures. Life is great ;]
[212] Submitted by: mcraven on Saturday December 14th 2002: I like using mouse gestures with the right button (as in Opera), but Mozilla's menu pops up too quick for me to use gestures. Could you guys delay the menu pop up until after the right button is released? Tried middle button, but I like middle-click for new tabs too much.

Thanks for your great work
[213] Submitted by: Merlin on Monday December 16th 2002: I can go back to IE after using this feature.
How about a mousegesture that pops up a mouse gesture guide?
[214] Submitted by: tupperduck on Tuesday December 17th 2002: I agree with mcraven. It would be nice to use the right mouse button for mouse gestures (to avoid the simultaneous highlighting of document content without having to specify a modifier key).

With mozilla, the right-click context menu appears when the mouse button is clicked down, so even if you are holding the mouse button to use mouse gestures it runs afoul of the context menu. In Opera, the context menu does not appear until the mouse button is released, thus if you hold the mouse button down and complete a mouse gesture, the mouse gesture action occurs before the context menu appears (so the context menu never gets shown). No right-click gesture/menu "collisions".

During the installation of mouse gestures, could the action of the right mouse button be changed to mimic the Opera method? Or is this a feature that should be incorporated into mozilla itself (and be taken up with the developers there)?
[215] Submitted by: SeNeKa on Saturday December 21st 2002: Is usefull, fine and a great idea, but i need a little browser, please update for the phoenix , i like the preferences , new gestures & customization.

TIA, good work
[216] Submitted by: zengiman on Sunday December 22nd 2002: love gestures would like one for f11 (full screen).
[217] Submitted by: Penguin_is_ on Thursday January 2nd 2003: A way to disable the gestures that I don't use. I mistakenly have new pages opening all the time and want to prevent this from happening.
[218] Submitted by: dirk on Friday January 3rd 2003: great idea! works fine! dl -
[219] Submitted by: Ed on Sunday January 5th 2003: Have tried out 0.3.5 on Phoenix 2002-12-28 (Win32) and I like the new mouse rocker gestures. However, I notice that they cannot be used sequentially: if going back sevral pages, for example, I must lift my finger off the right button before pressing the left button again. I deally, I would like to hold down the right button and click the left button as many times as needed to get back to the page I want to reach.

Great work on the speed of the mouse rockers. Click and I'm there. Perfect!

Ed
[220] Submitted by: Ed on Monday January 6th 2003: I have discovered that MG 0.3.5 cannot be directly installed on Phoenix (I tried that with a fresh build). Instead, the Phoenix Mouse Gestures must be installed, followed by installing MG 0.3.5. That gets the mouse rocker feature into Phoenix.
[221] Submitted by: Ed on Monday January 6th 2003: Font zooming.

I would like to be able to enlarge and shrink fonts without having to lean forward and reach my keyboard. A left(or irght)-click-hold + scroll up & down would allow me to zoom fonts while staying in a reclined position.
[222] Submitted by: Aleksi on Friday January 10th 2003: A trivial patch to change the context menu to mouseup from mousedown can be found at http://www.edu.lahti.fi/~zur/mozilla_contextmenu.patch
[223] Submitted by: Jiang on Friday January 17th 2003: Can gestures work in phoenix0.5?
i have installed but didn't find gestures in preferences,WHY?
[224] Submitted by: David P James on Tuesday January 21st 2003: re comment 223:

Jiang, and others, read this thread to get Mouse Gestures working in Phoenix.

http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4629
[225] Submitted by: Victor Balakine on Wednesday January 22nd 2003: It would be nice to use not only Right-Left-Right gesture to close a document, but Left-Right-Left as well. In Opera they both work.
[226] Submitted by: Slaven on Wednesday January 22nd 2003: Currently i'm running 0.5 version. Everything works fine except one thing. When browsing bookmarks I cant see actuall URL. Can you do it line in IE :) because i'm currenty switching and all I need is that :)
[227] Submitted by: Fredrik on Friday January 31st 2003: Please ad an option to use the 0.3.4 tolerance in 0.3.5 in the gui. Im currently using 0.3.5 for the first time and i cant belive how hard it is to do more advanced gestures now. a few examples: gesture for "home", "view source" etc.
[228] Submitted by: CK on Tuesday February 4th 2003: How about a download link for the latest version? Please.
[229] Submitted by: Babadum on Tuesday February 4th 2003: 0.3.5.rc2's diagonals are way too sensitive, back to 0.3.4 for the moment...
[230] Submitted by: Babadum on Tuesday February 4th 2003: also for 0.3.5.rc2 when using right-click gestures in Mail, the context-menu comes up too easily, whereas in the browser it's fine
[231] Submitted by: Jamin on Tuesday February 4th 2003: I can't even use the 0.3.4 version, for some odd reason... it downloads and installs, but when I restart the browser there is a bunch of big red XML text splashed all over the prefs screen and Mouse Gestures settings are nowhere to be found.

And 0.3.5 is really starting to annoy me with its diagonal sensitivity. Is there any possible way to lower this? I have the Preferential mod, but no tolerance option exists even there. If I add a new "mozgest.tolerance" option will that fix it, by chance? PLEASE someone post a tolerance fix...
[232] Submitted by: Dan Nelson on Monday February 10th 2003: The new diagonals are messing up all my gestures. You have to be *very* careful to not curve any of your lines, or close-tab (D,R) becomes D,3,R.

How about adding some code so that a new "direction" is not recognized if it's only 45 degrees from the previous one? That will make the "diagonal sensitivity problem" disappear, but still allow N and Z-type combos.
[233] Submitted by: Chris Farmer on Tuesday February 11th 2003: I really miss this feature from 0.3.4. I used to be able to pause for however long I wanted during a gesture, then resume it. The behavior was especially useful for the +RUL gesture.

Now if I stop moving the mouse, the status bar goes to cancelled and I cannot resume the gesture.

For the +RUL gesture, it was very handy to be able to take a second and make sure I touched everything, then to make a tiny little move to reactivate the gesture and let go. It would be great to have this back.

Also, I second the comment above about "big red XML text splashed" all over the preferences. That happened for me in Mozilla 1.2.1, but not in 1.3 beta.
[234] Submitted by: r on Monday February 17th 2003: perhaps the choice to disable LMB and rocker gestures? unlike many, i've never used opera. =P i don't mean to pick but those who prefer rocker gestures should download the "rocker gesture" package. LMB and rocker gestures just get in the way (from a strictly mouse gesturing point-of-view). the mouse gesture package is moving towards an all-in-one package (such package has already surfaced in phoenix forum) but it was already doing one thing... and one thing very well.

i do understand that a new hybrid of rocker and mouse gesturing is emerging and innovation shouldn't be hindered, rather encouraged. but for those of us who prefer the tried-and-true, a choice would be most appreciated (the choice to disable LMB/rocker...argh~).

in the meantime, i'll have to settle for radialcontext . all complaints aside, thanks for the package and keep up the good work.
[235] Submitted by: r on Monday February 17th 2003: okay, i'll risk being flame-bait~ those who keep saying "opera this, opera that"... go use OPERA, for pete's sake~ or go download rocker gestures at [http://texturizer.net/phoenix/index.html] (if you're using phoenix)~ mouse gesturing should be "mouse gesturing", meaning drawing gestures while having a button pressed.
[236] Submitted by: mscha on Wednesday February 19th 2003: Hi,

When I click on the 'Sidebar' button on the Mouse Gestures preferences tab, absolutely nothing happens. No sidebar appears, no error message, not even the sound of my hard disk spinning.

Is this supposed to work? If so, any thoughts on how to get it working (e.g. manual instructions)?

I'm using 0.3.5 final on Mozilla 1.3b (2003021008), on Windows 2000.

Thanks,

- Michael
[237] Submitted by: jens.b on Thursday February 20th 2003: Re: 236 mscha

We already had a fix for the sidebar issue, but it was missing in the 0.3.5 final XPI. I put up a new one, just install again from optimoz page.

Regards,
Jens
[238] Submitted by: :( on Thursday February 27th 2003: Have an option to remove these "rocker gestures".

I've read in the faq: "I'd like to disable a particular gesture or add my own."
Well, the rocker ones don't appear there.
I guess I need again to uninstall it and reinstall 0.3.4
[239] Submitted by: jens.b on Friday February 28th 2003: Re: 238 by :(

I added a FAQ entry on this issue, have a look at
http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/faqs.html#disablerockers
[240] Submitted by: Chris on Sunday March 9th 2003: When I use a gesture to 'duplicate tab', I would like the 'back 'and 'forward' history to be duplicated as well as the current URL.
[241] Submitted by: Chris on Sunday March 9th 2003: The 'picture' http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/images/optimoz_poster_640.jpg shows 'horizontal stack' as 'right, down, up, right', but the text on http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/index.html says Horizontal Stack is Right, then Up - Down - Right. The picture seems to be wrong.
[242] Submitted by: Matt on Thursday March 13th 2003: In Phoenix (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b; StumbleUpon.com) Gecko/20030312 Phoenix/0.5) The settings button under the extension options is greyed out :(. All I wanna do is turn mouse trails on, any way I can do this or diff versions that work w/ the Px options?
[243] Submitted by: James on Friday March 14th 2003: I wish there was a gesture to increase and decrease font size.
[244] Submitted by: jens.b on Friday March 14th 2003: RE: Matt
Check "Activate mouse trails" - the button next to it should be accessible then.

RE: James
0.3.5 final has them: the image zooming gestures (Diagonal DownRight or UpLeft), when performed over normal text, will manipulate font size. DownLeft (normally "hide image") will reset to 100%.
[245] Submitted by: Alta on Monday March 17th 2003: Great work!
[246] Submitted by: P�r on Thursday March 20th 2003: Am I the only one who would really like a "frame in new tab"-gesture?
[247] Submitted by: P�r on Thursday March 20th 2003: Am I the only one who would really like a "frame in new tab"-gesture?
[248] Submitted by: p on Thursday March 20th 2003: P�r, I always put a "frame in new window" gesture in my gestimp.js, it should be easy to turn it into a "in new tab" one instead.

function frameNewWindow() {
newBrowserWindow().loadURI(globalSrcEvent.target.ownerDocument.location, getReferrer(document));

}

... is what I use with the latest (0.3.5) version. Possibly all you'd have to do is make:

function frameNewTab() {

var tab = browser.addTab(globalSrcEvent.target.ownerDocument.location, getReferrer(document));

}

... and add a gesture that calls that, instead.

Right now I'm struggling with the whole "recent nightlies don't work with gestures (or vice versa) problem.
[249] Submitted by: Hao Chen on Thursday March 20th 2003: Is it possible to have a guesture that changes font size? I know you can use control + mouse wheel to do that and there is also control +/-, but it will be cool if you can also use the mouse alone to change that, especially when you are using a mouse that does not have a wheel.
[250] Submitted by: p on Friday March 21st 2003: Now I've tried it, you'll want to use:

function frameNewTab() {
var tab = getBrowser().addTab(globalSrcEvent.target.ownerDocument.location, getReferrer(document));
}

for what I typed yesterday.
[251] Submitted by: Sean on Wednesday April 2nd 2003: I would like a feature to similar to one in opera. You can hold down the gesture button and use the mouse wheel to switch between tabs. It's much faster than a gesture and much more intuitive.
[252] Submitted by: Victor on Wednesday April 2nd 2003: I just updated my Mozilla to 1.3, and with it I updated to the latest(0.3.5.1) mouse gestures... but to my surprise, I found myself immediatly having problems using gestures. It was then that I notice that your plugin is now detecting diagonals(it now adds 1, 3, 7, 9, into the gesture). Unfortounetly this breaks the way I had grown accustom to using mouse gestures.

Take for example prev tab/next tab gestures. I had learned early on, that I did not have to make sharp corner turns, to perform these gestures. I would push the mouse up, ease into a diagonal and then move right/left (In older versions it would get registered as UL/UR but now, it's U7L/U9R... and sometimes not even that, sometimes it just gets 7/9). I found this to be easier on my wrist and more productive, because I could perform it more quickly than performing a sharp corner. Because with sharp corners, your hand pauses at each corner, before making a direction change. Try it, with the S shape source gesture. If you try to do the sharp corner version, you will find that your hand pauses at each corner. But if you draw a curvy-S with the your mouse, it's one continous hand motion. I also noticed that with curved-gestures, it takes less screen-area for me to perform efficiently, than the sharp-corner ones... this is what I had ment by easier on the wrist. With sharp-corner gestures, you need a bigger area to perform them, than curve-gestures, meaning your productivity goes down because you are spending more time making large hand motions. Which means, I'll end up right-clicking and selecting "View Source", because it's faster than trying to perform the sharp-corner gesture for it. In the old system, I had gotten use to performing mouse-gestures with quick-small wrist flicks.

I'll continue to use this great plugin, but I think I'll revert to a version without this feature :)

Victor
[253] Submitted by: Victor on Wednesday April 2nd 2003: Ah, well I just found out by setting the diagonal tolerance option to zero, you effectively get the same behaviour as the older versions of the plugin. I have zero tolerance for diagonals :)

Victor
[254] Submitted by: A on Wednesday April 2nd 2003: I just now understood how wrong the gestures work in 0.3.5.1 !

If I want straight gestures, I need to disable the diagonals to get them fast. If I want diagonal gestures, I must make the tolerance as high as 90.

This means, either diagonals or straight ones.

This is very annoying since the diagonals worked GREAT in 0.3.4. Diagonals were registered if u had a diagonalish pattern in the straight line gestures, meaning, making a diagonal is only when u move u'r mouse intentionally in a diagonal line.

I wish this would be fixed soon, I miss the hide image gesture that I can't perform anymore because of this.
[255] Submitted by: Dise�o web on Thursday April 3rd 2003: Good site!
[256] Submitted by: nevrar on Monday April 7th 2003: Haven't read all the other comments, but the feature I would find most useful is something to place the cursor in the URL textfield and select the current url.
[257] Submitted by: Danny Toman on Wednesday April 9th 2003: I would love to see autoscroll, where you click the scroll wheel and a little up/down arrow appears in the center of the screen, and you move the mouse to scroll rather than the scroll wheel. Both IE and Opera support this and it's FAR more efficient than clicking that stupid scroll wheel constantly.
[258] Submitted by: Amerk_5 on Thursday April 10th 2003: Using the latest nightly of Px (4/09) with Win98SE, Gestures works but the Settings button is greyed out under Options/Extensions.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030409 Phoenix/0.5+
[259] Submitted by: mike on Sunday April 13th 2003: problems with 0.3.5.1 and image resizing under mozilla 1.3 on windows2000. if the Double Size gesture is used, the image is doubled in width and quadrupled in height; this 2:1 height:width deformation remains through further image resizes. If the Half Size gesture is used then the image is halved in width and quartered in height; again, the 2:1 deformation remains through further resizes.
[260] Submitted by: jens.b on Monday April 14th 2003: *** AUTOSCROLL ***
Danny: Other people did that already, see http://autoscroll.mozdev.org

*** PHOENIX NIGHTLIES ***
Amerk_5, please visit http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3544

*** IMAGE RESIZING PROBLEMS ***
Mike, look at the solution at http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=1473 (page bottom). Let me know if it works for you, too.
[261] Submitted by: jens.b on Monday April 14th 2003: *** FONT SIZE ***

This was included in 0.3.5 Final: Use 3 (diagonal DownRight) to enlarge and 7 (UpLeft) to reduce font size. Alternatively, when your cursor is over an image, these gestures will shrink/enlarge it. 1 (DownLeft) is Reset Text Zoom / Hide Image
[262] Submitted by: ngrier on Wednesday April 16th 2003: It would be nice to have the option, at least, to enable gestures w/o having to hold a button. And then let it be up to the user to decide if this is better or not. I guess this might give things a bit more of a performance hit (since you'd have to listen to mousemove events, not just mousedown), but I'd like to be able to decide for myself.

Ultimately, of course, it would be best to allow a fully customizable list of the gestures. Say, common functions (back, forward, etc) could be chosen w/o a button, but force the one's you don't use/don't like, to require a button (or just not be recognized...).

Works great, otherwise! :)
[264] Submitted by: Eric on Tuesday May 6th 2003: Do gestures work with the "View Source" window? I couldn't close this window with a gesture. If gestures haven't been designed for the View Source window...they should be!
[265] Submitted by: jens.b on Wednesday May 7th 2003: Support for the "View Source" window was implemented recently for the upcoming 0.4 release (no release date is fixed yet, watch the mailing list)
[266] Submitted by: joseph on Wednesday May 7th 2003: mouse gesture is really nice with the toutchpad of my notebook. i would like, when i move up and down in the right side of the touchpad, that my screen scoll the same way (ie feature).
[267] Submitted by: SoopahMan on Thursday May 8th 2003: What I learned from playing games.

Having played Black & White extensively, I'd like to see this plugin take some lessons from that game's Gestures.

First, good job making Gestures use a mouse-button (and not just happen freely). Otherwise it's very easy to cause even complex ones by accident; and this is very annoying.

Second, the right mouse button should be the default button for this; it simply has less purpose in a browser environment, and technically does not cause the text-select problem. Go with it.

Third, something needs to be done about the Gestures themselves. It would be very nice to customize them yourself, but that would likely require heavy development.

At the least, taking a lesson from Black & White, there ought to be an alternate set of Gestures in which the Gesture *has something to do with the action*. In Black & White, to Heal, you draw a Heart. This is easy to remember, sensible, and so, useful. Likewise, in Mozilla, going Home ought to be a House shape - not a lowercase "n." Close ought to be drawing an "X" on the page. Add Bookmark should be a Heart. Etc.

These "mnemonic gestures" needn't replace the existing ones that users are already used to, they just ought to be available as a more usable alternative.
[268] Submitted by: lijil on Sunday May 11th 2003: SoopahMan:
For what it's worth:
home = lower case H
bookmark = lower case B

Other gestures use this convention as well. (ie. cookies = c, metadata = m, etc.)
[269] Submitted by: adwod on Monday May 12th 2003: good site
[270] Submitted by: motilla on Monday May 12th 2003: hi from spain
[271] Submitted by: adwod on Monday May 12th 2003: corious
[272] Submitted by: complejo on Monday May 12th 2003: nnice pageice page
[273] Submitted by: Scott on Monday May 12th 2003: Custom gestuers. Allow for UI that will sequence a series of movements...say U,D,R,L to mean a particular menu command. Also provide a way to change existing built-in gestures...
[274] Submitted by: matt on Friday May 16th 2003: a nice feature would be to add a gesture that opened a context menu with your bookmarks. This would allow for great keyboard free browsing.
[275] Submitted by: Brian on Saturday May 17th 2003: As mentioned before, the advanced options to switch it to the right mouse button would be key in Mozilla Firebird. I know that Firebird is the future, but in the meantime I'm prevented from using it because of this. This is not a slam of the Mouse Gesture people, but a tribute that their extension is so powerful that it supercedes all the other features of Firebird combined.
[276] Submitted by: Sverre on Sunday May 18th 2003: This is the best features of mozilla. Now I have switched to FireBird and installed gestures. But now I can't configure the gesture plugin.
[277] Submitted by: jens.b on Sunday May 18th 2003: MOZILLA FIREBIRD 0.6 SUPPORT:

We have been preparing this in the last few weeks. Please install nightly build 20030511 from http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/installation.html , it fully supports the new "Extensions" page (among other stuff).
[278] Submitted by: Assimil8or on Sunday May 18th 2003: It would be very nice if the best matching gesture could be used instead of saying "Unknown Gesture"
[279] Submitted by: bw on Monday May 19th 2003: Damn, why haven't I thought of that before and suffered so many years of horizontal scrollbars?! Wheel rocker for horizontal scrolling!
[280] Submitted by: complejo on Wednesday May 21st 2003: good site
[281] Submitted by: motilla on Wednesday May 21st 2003: hi from spain
[282] Submitted by: adwod on Wednesday May 21st 2003: corious
[283] Submitted by: Nathar Leichoz on Thursday May 29th 2003: I agree with comment #2 by Owen Williams. I would also like to see non-draggable mouse gestures. I used them before with another piece of software some 7 years ago. But that company has long been gone and all I remember was the company called the mouse gestures, "Glicks" aka "guided clicks". Anyway, like Owen, I also have trained myself to flick my wrist quickly and I use to map it to the back/forward navigation of the browser.
-NL
[284] Submitted by: abcdefg on Friday May 30th 2003: why not just make a extra drawing box utility where one can draw one's selves gestures. Then the application simplifies and cleans the gesture up and the user can edit the gesture thereafter. and make the present configuration a template/ default to all this.
[285] Submitted by: hiTCH-HiKER on Wednesday June 4th 2003: going forward/back multiple times using the rocker gesture still doesn't work, altough it was mentioned in bug 2973 that it works now!
[286] Submitted by: jens.b on Thursday June 5th 2003: hiTCH-HiKER:
You misunderstood bug 2973. Because of the way gecko (Mozilla's rendering engine) handles events, we won't be notified when you release all buttons during the page switching, and MozGest will think you still are in "rocker mode". This leads to unwanted rockers after the back/forward command was invoked. Therefore, MozGest will reset the rocker state automatically when Back/Forward is used.

However, other rocker mappings (like tab switching) are not affected by this and can be triggered multiple times.
[287] Submitted by: Jeff on Wednesday June 18th 2003: I would like to be able to configure a gesture for a given bookmark. So then I could configure my bookmark for Slashdot to be LR and Newsforge to be RLD, etc. For instance, if I go to the properties dialog for a bookmark, it'd be nice to have a 'Gesture' tab that I can type in (or gest) the gesture I would like to use for that bookmark and maybe it could tell me if it was already in use and for what, etc. I know I can hardcode it in the .js files, but it would be nice to have a UI for it so it would be tied to the bookmark.
[288] Submitted by: Rene� on Wednesday June 18th 2003: I agree w/ Jeff. . .I would use the gestures to do bookmarklets. Until then though I'm willing to hardcode in the .js files. . .exactly how do u do this Jeff?
[289] Submitted by: jens.b on Thursday June 19th 2003: Hardcoding is no longer neccessary. Install the 0.4 preview (nightly build 0602) and use "Edit Mappings" in the preferences panel. Select "Browser" window type, then click "New". Choose "Function Type: Custom" and type in the following javascript code:
window._content.document.location='
[290] Submitted by: Rene� on Thursday June 19th 2003: I can't type in that java script window for some reason. Can you?
[291] Submitted by: Matt Douglass on Monday July 7th 2003: Rocker gestures are great, but they could be improved slightly. For the back and forward motions, it would be very useful if you could continue moving backwards by clicking the left mouse button without releasing the right. Currently, to move backwards two pages, I have to hold the right button and click the left, then release both buttons and perform the gesture again. What I'm asking is to make it possible to move backwards two pages by holding the right button down, and clicking the left button twice. The opposite would be true for the forward function, of course. A simple modification, but a very convienent one.
[292] Submitted by: madc on Tuesday July 15th 2003: to save a like would be creat instead of click right mouse button "save target as"
[293] Submitted by: Rene� on Tuesday July 15th 2003: Does anyone know how to create a gesture to scroll to the bottom of the page?
[294] Submitted by: Firebird support? on Tuesday July 15th 2003: Ive instatlled it on Firebird, and it works exelent, BUT you cant change the preferences.
I have checked the configfiles, and i have not been able to find anyway to fix it.
Is there any way to fix that.

At least the button to use?
[295] Submitted by: Rene� on Tuesday July 15th 2003: If you're using the .6 milestone or later, then you need to download a nightly of mouse gestures, not the official release.
[296] Submitted by: Ze on Tuesday July 15th 2003: Gestures are great, but you guys should warn users about the problems with uninstalling it. Its reported in bug 3892 (Uninstall breaks browser: http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3892), but I only found that after the uninstall permanently crashed my email. I spent quite a while trying to fix it (the info at http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/uninstallation.html didn't work) until I finally gave up and reinstalled the entire Moz suite. I hate to be negative about such an amazing overall piece of work, but this was really frustrating. Please clearly warn us ahead of time about severe known problems like this. Thanks, and best to you all.
[297] Submitted by: Rasqual on Sunday July 20th 2003: I think my conversion to Mozilla Firebird is drawing close now that I've heard about this extension...
There's a Sleipnir functionality I'd like to see implemented in this extension: when a mouse gesture is being executed and matches an existing one, *while the button is still pressed* the triggered action is displayed in the status bar.
For example, when you make the DL gesture, it should display
Mouse Gesture: D,L (Minimize Window)
and releasing the mouse button then validates the action.

I think it should make the learning curve (of your custom gestures, for instance) much less steep.
[298] Submitted by: buckminster on Monday July 21st 2003: Thunderbird support? I haven't tried it, but was just curious if the nightlies support it.

Thanks!
[299] Submitted by: jens.b on Monday July 21st 2003: buckminster:
Thunderbird is not yet supported. However, we will work on it when planned 0.4 features are in place and we have spare time :-)

Note that we should wait for Thunderbird's first milestone release (e.g. 0.1) - if we start too early, there may be radical TBird changes requiring us to rewrite MozGest's support for it.

Rasqual:
Great idea, should be straightforward to implement. It's now on my 0.4-to-do-list :-)
[300] Submitted by: buckminster on Monday July 21st 2003: good to hear it. Thanks!
[301] Submitted by: RHPT on Tuesday July 22nd 2003: Any idea when a new build will be released? Also, what are the chances of this bug being fixed?
http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3907

Thanks :)
[302] Submitted by: jens.b on Thursday July 24th 2003: I guess you can expect a new nightly build until mid-august.

Regarding the link-visited bug, I cannot tell. Before we can try to fix it, we have to find the *cause*... Unfortunately, I'm currently working on core 0.4 features, that bug will have to wait :-(
[303] Submitted by: St0rmD on Thursday July 24th 2003: I would like to cast another vote to add gestures for "Close Tab" and possibly also "Close Window"
[304] Submitted by: Demosthenes on Friday July 25th 2003: This is an excellent addon, one of the best browser innovations in ages.

Still, I have one request. Is it possible to incorporate gestures for commands in the site navigation bar? Being able to go from one page to the next using gestures would be perfect, and would work perfectly with the extensions that incorporate site navigation into sites that don't technically support it.
[305] Submitted by: Demosthenes on Friday July 25th 2003: Oh, one other thing... combinations of diagonals can be difficult to "hit"... the "up in URL" zigzag tends to be interrupted by random "U", "L" or "R" hits. No idea how to fix that, but it's a worthy issue.

(Added vote for gestures for "sidebar open/close" and something involving bookmarks, by the way.)
[306] Submitted by: jonthegm on Thursday July 31st 2003: A "Go to top of Page" and "Go to bottom of Page" gesture... They used to be there, but they disappeared...
[307] Submitted by: florian on Saturday August 2nd 2003: Your mouse gestures ROCK!!

One thing I am stumbling over a lot: it is so hard to start AND end a mouse gesture on a (maybe very tiny) link. It would be much better to have gestures recognized STARTING on a link and ending anywhere, because it is sometimes very hard to hit the spot exactly.

Keep up the good work!!
[308] Submitted by: bw on Saturday August 2nd 2003: I'm not sure how in earlier, but in the nightly you don't have to start&end on a link, all you have to do is to perform the gesture through the link, i.e. you start above the link and end below to open it in a new window.
(now if there's many links close to each other, that's a whole different story. You must end your gesture ON the one you want to open)
[309] Submitted by: Half7 on Wednesday August 6th 2003: You've got me hooked on gestures. Even away from the computer I've started making gestures to get things done (even works sometimes, too!)

Ofcourse it's hard to improve on perfection, but here's the one wish I have for future releases:

When making a gesture, very often a part of the page is selected. Would it be possible for this selection to be undone automaticaly after the gesture is completed?
[310] Submitted by: bw on Wednesday August 6th 2003: A gesture I caught myself performing despite it's not implemented: Get New Messages in mailnews - UD, same as "reload" because of similarity (you hit "reload" in www forums to check for new messages)
Possibly separately get for current account (UD, MsgGetMessagesForAccount(event) ) and separately for all accounts (UDU, cmd_getMsgsForAuthAccounts )
[311] Submitted by: MN on Thursday August 14th 2003: Love it!

Is there a way to open the sidebar in javascript?
I would just like to try out more stuff in custom gestures. Maybe some people could post their custom gestures somewhere here so we could share them?

I'll Start, I make the C gesture backwards (LUR) and bind it to the config page (gotta have that for firebird!)

Here's the java script:

window._content.document.location='about:config'

BTW, If you have problems in the javascript text box there is a workaround i noticed type it somewhere else and use copy-paste

MN
[312] Submitted by: localhost on Thursday August 14th 2003: I absolutely don't know how, but I think it is possible to open the sidebar. If you search from the addressbar, the search sidetab is opened by default. So the there is a way to make it open built into mozilla somewhere.
[313] Submitted by: jens.b on Thursday August 14th 2003: Thanks MN, I'm glad that custom JS functions are used in practice :-)

The code you're searching for is just " toggleSidebar(); ". Note that this won't work in Firebird.

More info (and fix) for the textbox-bug is available at http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3921 - or just wait for the next nightly.
[314] Submitted by: Adam on Saturday August 16th 2003: The option "bookmark this page" would be very usefull.
[315] Submitted by: localhost on Sunday August 17th 2003: http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/defaultmappings.html

Adding a bookmark is already supported. Draw a B, down, right, down, left, up.
[316] Submitted by: woodymac on Monday August 18th 2003: I'm using both a Mac and a PC. It would be great if the Mouse Gestures preferences "Make mouse gestures with" dialog permitted Command button instead of the Control button when on a Macintosh.

Tab Browser Extensions works in this manner. And it would be very compatible if Mouse Gestures would be the same. The Control key is hard mappped to Pop the context men on the Macintosh and basically not usable.
[317] Submitted by: woodymac on Monday August 18th 2003: Otherwise Mouse Gestures is a Must have Extension. I live by it on my PC, and often habitually try to use gestures in the Explore. ;-)
[318] Submitted by: Dise�o web espa�ol on Thursday August 21st 2003: Congratulations for your great job.

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[319] Submitted by: number on Sunday August 24th 2003: "Save all links"
(like the open all links comand)
This command would let you drag over a list of links and get one (only one) save location window that would save all links using the default names to a specified location.
I don't know how many times I have wanted to save a list of individual files (frequently pictures), and had to right click and go through a save as dialog for each one.
[320] Submitted by: Demosthenes on Tuesday August 26th 2003: Added vote for the "save all links" command... it would be incredibly handy, especially with the apparent nonfunctionality of the "leech" extension.

(Even just posting a customization script would be fine.)
[321] Submitted by: nick on Sunday August 31st 2003: i agree with #291 http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/wishlist.html#291
multiple iteration rocking is very useful. It is used in opera 6.05
[322] Submitted by: Max on Friday September 5th 2003: I think it would be rather neat if you could allow the gestures to make use of the size of the gesture in performing the action that takes place. For example, scrolling. Draw a large gesture, and you'll scroll a lot draw a little one, and you'll only go down a couple of lines.

(to be fair, I can't think of another use apart from scrolling :)
[323] Submitted by: Brien on Monday September 8th 2003: It would be nice if the "hide image" gesture worked when the gesture starts outside of an image. This would prevent the problem of trying to hide an image that is hyperlinked. It could also allow hiding multiple images with one large gesture over all of them.
[324] Submitted by: Dogers on Tuesday September 9th 2003: is there ever going to be an update to allow installing gestures to the profile folder? :(
[325] Submitted by: Chris on Sunday September 14th 2003: A fix for mozilla 1.4 for linux so right button mouse gestures do not pop up a context menu.
[326] Submitted by: Sean on Sunday September 14th 2003: I'm using Firebird 0.6.1 and i installed all-in-one gestures 0.8.1 and i can't get "Duplicated Tabs" or "Duplicate Window" to work. It will open a new tab or window but if its a tab it will be "untitled" (blank) or new window will load my home page, instead of duplicating the page. anyone know how to fix this?
[327] Submitted by: jens.b on Monday September 15th 2003: Sean: AiO Gestures is a separate extension with lots of its own code (although it was based on an early version of Optimoz Mozgest). We at Optimoz can't give you support for it, sorry. Go to forums.mozillazine.org to get in touch with AiO users and the developer. You could also install the newest nightly build of Optimoz Mouse Gestures from this page - chances are that the bug only appears in AiO.
[328] Submitted by: overthere on Saturday September 27th 2003: Is it possible to toggle full page on off (F11 command) with a gesture? Thanks

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